Shawna McCarthy, 1983-1985
Sheila Williams, 2004-present
From the Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction:
Kristine Kathryn Rusch, 1991 – 1997
Stupid question: Campbell died in July 1971. Bova was credited as editor beginning with the January 1972 issue. Who ran the show between those two dates? Kay Tarrant? An uncredited Bova?
You should be a part of the fictionmags mailing list. We've discussed this to death there, but I think Campbell had a large inventory of material, according to Mike Ashley . . . However, "it was still not possible to be sure which stories had been acquired by which editor."
Um--me again at Event Horizon and then again for SCIFICTION... Don't ask me for the dates--you figure it out and I'll correct them if I think you're wrong :-)
My range of knowledge about magazines is very limited: 1970ish to maybe 1985, and mainly the obvious ones: IF (I looked for back issues), Galaxy, Analog, Asimov`s (both the one that lived and the one that didn`t), Galileo, OMNI...
Oh, and that one that adapted SF to comic book form. I think Dean Motter was involved in it... Andromeda! That was the name.
The thing that strikes me about this list, and coincidentally some other reading I'm doing lately, is those dates. Everyone talks as though women are somehow new to the SF field, and yet when you go back and actually look at the sources, women were there all the time. It's just somehow they're invisible, and every few years someone looks around and says, "Huh, where did all these women come from? They weren't here before!"
Yep. Can't say I've ever seen anyone write about this in particular.
Female scholar blindspot?
I thought he meant that it was his blind spot because he hadn't seen the female scholars.
Nope, because I have, generally speaking. (As opposed to more esoteric fanzines, mailing lists or whatever).
What I meant was I hadn't come across when looking a work specifically/explicitly/dedicated to such a topic etc. produced by a female.
Yeah, Ann mentioned that I'd been too generous by giving you the benefit of the doubt. Oh well.
You can't provide a reference to such a work either then presumably. :)
Really? Taking decades to get to some mention of it is hardly being on the ball. A feminist tome with such a title is certainly not 'an overview/history of women in science fiction magazine editing'. Completely different sort of publication.
There's of course Ashley's history of the science fiction magazine, in whichever version.
I was looking at the Larbalestier book a few days ago, actually, and again it most definitely is not.
So, the point still stands. Women are not actually interested in writing about female editors so far, except in passing.
If you are suggesting it makes sense to wait until someone not female does it, that is a little odd.
Neither of our posts specified that the female scholars in question be writing specifically an overview of women editing SF. Moreover, my comment was about women being involved in the field in general--which both books I mention do indeed cover. Larbalestier's "Battle of the Sexes in Science Fiction" also covers it.
You might actually want to read some of those books before you decide what women are and aren't interested in writing about.
It is completely obvious that women are interested in SF. Hardly a relevant point in a discussion about women who edit magazines - which is itself of course evidence of the former. :)
Not too likely to have access to a small press American book that is brand new this year. Aqueduct, along with many other such publishers have no interest in electronic publication, so considerably harder to get outside the US.
As speaking of assumptions, as far as books such as you suggest, there's a good probability I have read more of them than you have. You are talking to someone that had read a few Russ and Le Guin books before he was 10, after all. Unsure how you get 'not read any in general' implication out of 'reading Larbalestier a few days ago'. :)
If you want to take such anecdotes further, I'd seen more than one article in academic databases by female authors talking about the history of women in science fiction that doesn't mention editors at all. Granted most people are more interested in writing about authors, but this is my point.
Even popular writing though. There are bunches of magazines online, quite a few with women in charge. Would have thought this was a topic of interest to them and something would be written about it. Doesn't appear to be so far, though.
There may also be material we are both unaware of in some stray master's thesis or article somewhere, too. If someone knows of such I'd certainly like to read it.
Once again, I wasn't speaking exclusively of editors, just struck by a thought about women's participation by this particular list.
The participation of women does not seem to be self-evident to a great number of folks who think women had no interest until the late sixties--or who continually claim that science fiction was so much better before women came along and gave it girl cooties.
And you read Russ and LeGuin before you were 10? Gosh, that makes you an expert in women's participation in science fiction and the history of scholarship and debates on the topic! I bow before your omniscience on the topic of what women scholars are interested in! Certainly the fact that you haven't tripped over something means it doesn't exist. Absolutely.
What I was accusing you of not having read was, in fact, the vast majority of writings by women scholars on the history of women's participation in science fiction. Obviously having read Russ and LeGuin when you were a kid means you're utterly conversant on the issue, and I am mortified that I could have been so foolish as to believe otherwise.
Incidentally, the book I read "yesterday" was not either of the Larbalestiers, but Secret Cabal. I would recommend it, except I have a suspicion you'd find some sort of nitpicky detail to disqualify it from actually talking about the things it talks about.
I was speaking exclusively of magazine editors. Amazing, that, in a thread about such. :)
To your crack re: R/LG, no, it means that I am possibly more interested than most.
I have read a LOT of writing on the history of science fiction. As I said, possibly more than you have. This includes the usual suspects Russ, Le Guin, Sargent, Merrick, Merril, Williams, etc. Do you have Sussex's She's Fantastical? :)
It is also likely I have read more actual science fiction by women than you, as opposed to histories, bibliographies, criticism, journal articles, etc.
You are making assumptions again. Why would I have mentioned annoying lack of distribution if I didn't care? I've actually even added the odd thing to the feminist sf wiki in the past. Hardly likely to do that if I didn't give a rat's rear, or was 'refusing to read stuff because of trivialities'. A quite ludicrous statement, even. From vague memory I think I did a list of sword wielding women in SFF for Laura Quilter when she asked on librarything, speaking of nitpicky trivialities I shouldn't care about. I don't think there was anything there about the magazine editor topic either, or at feministsf.org, last time I looked, anyway. Which was a few months ago.
You read Catherine Helen Spence or Rosa Praed? I've put my own time and effort into making some early Australian sf by women available, too. Hardly the act of someone who is only going to indulge in dismissive sneering such as you suggest.
You are getting rather snarky, just because I brought up a perceived lack that probably is an actual lack. That is if the implication is that you have read huge amounts of writing by women about SF/are an expert in such and don't know of such work.
I know in the 1970s, it seemed like there was this flood of new, interesting female SF writers. Just of the top of my head, women who debuted in the 1970s include:
Lynn Abbey, Eleanor Arnason, Octavia Butler, Moyra Caldecott, Jaygee Carr, Joy Chant, Suzy McKee Charnas, C. J. Cherryh, Jo Clayton, Candas Jane Dorsey, Diane Duane, Phyllis Eisenstein, Cynthia Felice, Sheila Finch, Sally Gearhart, Mary Gentle, Dian Girard, Eileen Gunn, Monica Hughes, Diana Wynne Jones, Gwyneth Jones, Leigh Kennedy, Lee Killough, Nancy Kress, Katherine Kurtz, Tanith Lee, Megan Lindholm, Elizabeth A. Lynn, Phillipa Maddern, Ardath Mayhar, Vonda McIntyre, Patricia A. McKillip, Janet Morris, Pat Murphy, Sam Nicholson (AKA Shirley Nikolaisen), Rachel Pollack, Marta Randall, Anne Rice, Jessica Amanda Salmonson, Pamela Sargent, Sydney J. Van Scyoc, Susan Shwartz, Nancy Springer, Lisa Tuttle, Joan Vinge, Élisabeth Vonarburg, Cherry Wilder, and Connie Willis.
This would even longer if I wasn't starting at 1970.
Yeah, that's very true.
One of the things I'm noticing in my reading lately, though (Larbalestier's Daughters of Earth, the recent, already mentioned Secret Feminist Cabal) is just how many women there were reading and writing science fiction from the very beginning. The narrative seems to be "The New Wave brought all those girls in" or in other cases "Well, they all liked Star Trek and that's what got them interested in reading and writing science fiction and now here they are" as though women's participation dated from the sixties and took off in the seventies.
This is part of, it seems to me, the narrative that science fiction was a boy's game to begin with, and the women are recent arrivals--and in some versions of that narrative, "ruining" science fiction which before the sixties was all wonderful hard sciency perfection without all that girl stuff.*
But if you read old letter columns, and look into who was selling stories, there are a lot of women already there, it's just somehow they're invisible. They're just "real" fans' wives and girlfriends, they're just flukes, they're just...pick something off "How to Suppress Women's Writing" at random.
Something happened in the seventies to make the women more or less permanently visible. Just now I'm going with the "overt feminism angered enough people that they made a nice target for nostalgic whines about how science fiction was so much better in the past."
*IMO One of the results of the different versions of this narrative is the claim that science fiction publications have so many more male authors--maybe even exclusively male authors--because women just aren't interested in actual science fiction, not to mention science, that the audience and writers have always been until very recently mostly if not exclusively men, etc. I'm thinking this is not really true, and thus not, you know, a very good excuse.
Found because beamjockey mentioned it elsewhere:http://www.amazon.com/Partners-Wonder-Science-Fiction-1926-1965/dp/0739112678
Partners in Wonder revolutionizes our knowledge of women and early science fiction. Davin finds that at least 203 female authors published over a thousand stories in science fiction magazines between 1926 and 1965. This work explores the distinctly different form of science fiction that females wrote, offers a comprehensive bibliography of these works, and provides biographies of 133 of these women authors.
What doesn't help is that the potted histories of science fiction are so male dominated, with women sf writers/editors only getting a mention at around the New Wave. When they are mentioned it's often as examples of also rans or other writers active as a gviven time, rarely as the main drivers of the field in a given period.
So if you're new to sf and dutifully read up on its history, you can get the impression it has always been a male dominated field, with everything important that happened in its development being done by male editors and writers.
Um, Shawna is STILL an editor, at REALMS OF FANTASY.
And WEIRD TALES has a female editor right now, too: Ann Vandermeer.
Marion Zimmer Bradley, Marion Zimmer Bradley's Fantasy Magazine, 1988-1999.
Mary Anne Mohanraj, Strange Horizons, 2000-2003
Susan Marie Groppi, Strange Horizons, 2004-present
If you're including small press, then don't forget
Beth Wodzinski - Shimmer Magazine - 2005-present
She edited, among other things: England Swings SF, an annual collection (Year's Best - which happens to have been among the better year's bests) and at least one other anthology (who's title escapes me at the moment) that was 'feminist sf' oriented.
You should also add Judy-Lynn Del Rey to the list, and I believe that kate Wilhelm did a little editing too....
and Ginjer Buchanan over at Ace Books, not to mention Elisabeth Wollheim and Sheila Gilbert at DAW and Teresa Nielsen-Hayden at TOR....
- Paula Guran edited Horror Garage (and received a World Fantasy nomination for her work), 2001-2002 (six issues)
- Eileen Gunn Infinite Matrix, 2001-2008
- Sara King, Aberrant Dreams, 2007-present
- Kris Rusch should also be listed for Pulphouse, 1988-1993, unless you consider that an anthology.
Diane Walton, OnSpec, ????-presenthttp://www.onspec.ca/about.htm
And a lot of other names on that page, if you include fiction editors as well as managing editors.
You don't have the McKennas, from Aeon.
Depending on what you want to list, Andromeda Spaceways has had (and does have) many female editors.
Or Sarah Endacott's Orb, speaking of Australians again.
Mary Gnaedinger - Famous Fantastic Mysteries 1939-1953
Just found out she did some of A. Merritt's Fantasy magazine, too - 1949-1950.
wendy bradley, farthing. the editors of Lennox Avenue, The editors of Ideomancer, the editors of Abyss & Apex, and me for Fortean Bureau & Sybil's Garage.
2010-01-15 02:22 am (UTC)
More female editors
Glad to see this list. Particularly glad to see you included Cele Goldsmith, who I think is particularly underknown/underacknowledged. According to Wikipedia
"Among her discoveries were Thomas M. Disch, Ursula K. Le Guin, Keith Laumer, Sonya Dorman (as a fiction writer), and Roger Zelazny. She was also instrumental in bringing Fritz Leiber out of an early writer's-block-induced retirement (a 1959 issue was devoted entirely to his fiction), and was among the first US editors to publish British author J. G. Ballard."
But also glad to see everyone else on the list. Especially the people I hadn't previously known about.
Here are a couple of additions to the list:
Strange Horizons is tricky. Mary Anne was the editor-in-chief from 2000 through 2003, as you noted, and Susan Marie Groppi has been editor-in-chief since 2004. (For us, "editor-in-chief" is a title that corresponds roughly with what some other venues might call "publisher.") But Susan has been a fiction
editor since 2000. Chris Heinemann (also female) was also a fiction editor from 2000 through 2003, and Karen Meisner has been a fiction editor since mid-2003. Susan and Chris and I, and then Susan and Karen and I, have collectively made all the decisions about what fiction we publish.
For award-nomination purposes, we generally ask that people think of Susan as "the" editor of the magazine; that's a lot simpler than trying to explain our structure. But most of the editors on your list are or were fiction editors. So if I were putting together such a list, I would definitely include Chris and Karen on it.
I should also note that we've had a bunch of other female editors in other departments: poetry, articles, reviews, art, music, etc. But I'm guessing that you're focusing primarily on fiction.
Another addition to your list: Kelly Link has been, as I understand it, co-editor of Lady Churchill's Rosebud Wristlet since 1996.
One more thing, though this isn't really amenable to the kind of list you're making: I think it's worth acknowledging now and then, even if not in this list, that there have been women in prominent positions behind the scenes in a lot of contexts. A couple of examples off the top of my head: Sheila was an editorial assistant at Asimov's starting in '83, I think; Carina Gonzalez was the first reader at Realms for a while; Kelly was the first reader at Sci Fiction; and SH has had three female first readers since late 2008. (Karen Burnham, Erin Kissane, Brianna Privett.) In general, first readers and editorial assistants and such don't get enough recognition, imo, regardless of gender. But again, I realize that's not what your list is about; this is just a side note.
Updated, as best as I can.
Wendy S. Delmater of Abyss & Apex, 2005-present