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Myth Busting: Quality and Quantity of Submissions, vs Print and Online [Jul. 5th, 2009|01:51 pm]
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I keep hearing the same old hoary statements that two of the reasons print editors refuse to accept online submissions is that that 1) it's going to mean every Tom, Dick, and Harry will submit a story, with the click of a button, and be deluged with thousands of submissions and 2) that the quality of paper submissions are somehow higher than online, because of the time and expense authors take in prepping said stories.

I call bullshit. And I call it bullshit because I've done both, with transitioning Fantasy Magazine from print to online. (And I've seen the slush for Weird Tales for several years). I was a bit apprehensive, at first, but I actually found the following to be true: 1) the number of submissions, statistically, did not go higher, and 2) the quality of the submissions actually got better. Yes, you heard that right.

Consider this: for the print edition of FM we would get paper manuscripts from inmates, from little children, from whackjobs, in various formats and layouts and god-knows-what-else, and it was pretty bad stuff. The chance that I would find two great gems in that great slushpile was pretty slim. And it just ate up time to go to the post office, get the envelopes, open them, respond to them, mail them back, it was just a big waste of item and energy.

However, with the online submissions I'm far more likely to find four to six, or more sometimes, every month. And possibly one of the reasons why the quality might be higher is that the magazine is out there, online, for authors to read, which helps them to determine if their fiction is right for this venue. On top of that a lot of writing workshops are very much attuned to what's going online, and are more inclined to submit. Quite a lot of the online submissions I know for a fact have workshop credentials.

The idea that authors mailing out paper submissions somehow are better "invested" than authors submitting from online is just nonsense.
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[User Picture]From: highway_west
2009-07-05 07:43 pm (UTC)
Very interesting....
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[User Picture]From: lesser_celery
2009-07-05 08:16 pm (UTC)
I think I agree with you for the most part, but I believe you’re confusing two separate issues. I can’t speak with any authority to the question of whether print or online magazines get better submissions, because I have only done print. Intuitively I believe you’re right in saying that submitters have a better idea what to submit to particular online magazines because they’re more accessible. Heaven knows, next to no one who submits to Not One of Us ever bothers to buy a sample issue. In any case, I see no reason to believe that online magazines receive worse submissions than hardcopy magazines do.

But the matter of accepting electronic vs. only hardcopy submissions is totally separate. Mine is a hardcopy magazine, but since January 2004, when I finally bought a good enough computer at home to handle the traffic, I have been accepting submissions by email. The main difference I’ve found is the sheer volume of submissions. Compared with 2003, I now get easily three times as many submissions. Not surprisingly, that means I receive a larger number of good stories and poems, so it’s been to the good. But it simply hasn’t been the case for us that the submissions on average have been better. The sheer number of submissions that are instant rejections has grown enormously.

I only bring up this distinction because I think the strength of your argument does not depend on the quality of hardcopy vs. electronic submissions. I agree with you in rejecting the idea that online magazines do not receive submissions as good as hardcopy magazines do.
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[User Picture]From: oldcharliebrown
2009-07-05 08:24 pm (UTC)
Do you know if the number of short fiction has actually gone up, or if the increase has been in poetry?
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[User Picture]From: lesser_celery
2009-07-05 09:06 pm (UTC)
The increase in poetry has been greater than the increase in short fiction, but the number of short fiction submissions (especially long ones) has more than doubled. I hasten to point out that my magazine is very different from yours. Although we have been around for a large subset of forever, Not One of Us is not nearly as well known, nor do we pay more than a fraction of what your magazines do. This probably makes a difference.

When I started accepting e-submissions, the number (not just the proportion) of hardcopy submissions went down. That's because writers who can do both generally find electronic submissions easier. I don't believe that's a matter of "investment", as the critics of e-submissions seem to believe. It's more a matter of age. Younger writers are far more familiar with computers and email and such, so it's totally natural to submit stories that way.

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From: joycemocha
2009-07-06 01:48 am (UTC)
I'm not a younger writer, but boy, I sure do prefer doing e-subs to snail mail, once I got used to them. Time and paper add up after a while. I don't miss doing hardcopy submissions one little bit.
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[User Picture]From: safewrite
2009-07-05 11:06 pm (UTC)
Thank you. Yes.
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[User Picture]From: steve_vernon
2009-07-06 09:20 am (UTC)
I'm with Joyce. Started writing freehand, grew up and bought a typewriter, got my first computer (IBM 286, state-of-the-art at the time) and have not looked back.

In 2004 I went online and discovered a whole world of genre fiction. E-mail gets me instantly in contact with editors, writers, publishers...it's wild.

Back in the mid 1980's, when I started in writing short fiction, I made it a point to keep a couple of dozen stories out there. Burned through scads of paper and buckets of postage.

I loves me e-mail, yes I duz!
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[User Picture]From: lesser_celery
2009-07-06 12:04 pm (UTC)
Electronic submissions are a godsend for editors/publishers who don't have a big staff. I've been on the other end, too. For about a decade while my wife was a prolific author, I served as her "secretary", printing copies of her stories, typing cover letters, packaging the mss and SASEs, then waiting for months sometimes to hear back from editors. And I used to walk five miles to school barefoot in the snow, uh, I mean, our first computer was a used K-Pro. So this old-timer really appreciates the joys of e-submission.
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[User Picture]From: madwriter
2009-07-06 03:09 pm (UTC)
God bless the Kaypro!

I cut my teeth on a Kaypro 4 and its floppy disks that could only hold 40 pages.

I'm still daily amazed by the storage capacity of my USB drive since my memories of electronic storage are direct descendants of the Kaypro.
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[User Picture]From: bohemianthief
2009-07-06 01:15 pm (UTC)
Great to know, thanks for debunking!
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[User Picture]From: dqg_neal
2009-07-06 07:48 pm (UTC)
One side benefit of electronic submission is that you never get the handwritten scrawl submission. Or the unreadable photocopy.
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