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Epic Fail [Dec. 20th, 2009|01:26 pm]

I stayed out of the SF Signal discussion for as long as possible,
but when you resort to attempting to have the last laugh,
on your own journal, and show no regret over what you wrote,
and instead passive-aggressively attack people who are trying to help you,
well, here it is, in all its glory.

Epic Fail.

[User Picture]From: jimhines
2009-12-20 06:57 pm (UTC)
228 comments, and as far as I can see, she didn't actually read or understand any of them. On the other hand, I suspect a lot of other people did, and for that reason I'm glad she wrote the original post.
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[User Picture]From: oldcharliebrown
2009-12-20 06:58 pm (UTC)
This is a good point. Some excellent points were brought up, in the comments, and I don't regret that aspect of the conversation.
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[User Picture]From: anghara
2009-12-20 07:18 pm (UTC)
I have SUCH itchy fingers to go back there and leave a comment about how she failed to understand UTTERLY any of the points that were made in those 228 comments on the original post. But I shall resist. I have to resist.
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[User Picture]From: tchernabyelo
2009-12-21 06:11 pm (UTC)
I couldn't, I'm afraid.
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[User Picture]From: ken_schneyer
2009-12-20 07:26 pm (UTC)
Such a lot of steam and flame, over what is essentially a difference in emphasis.

Wish I had your *sigh* icon about now.
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[User Picture]From: vegan_vulcan
2009-12-20 07:32 pm (UTC)
It's just like. . . is this the attention she wants? Guess so. How sad.
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[User Picture]From: cathydalek
2009-12-20 07:42 pm (UTC)
I find her lack of reading comprehension disturbing.
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[User Picture]From: birdhousefrog
2009-12-20 08:12 pm (UTC)
I think you're right in calling this epic fail. I think you're right that she failed to grasp what she was writing about, what these markets really are, and what the comments were trying to explain to her.

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[User Picture]From: joycemocha
2009-12-21 12:03 am (UTC)

Amazing. Utterly--amazing. She really doesn't have a clue.
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[User Picture]From: maryrobinette
2009-12-21 05:56 am (UTC)
I tried to reply to her, but the comment form wouldn't accept my comment. I will share my comment with you, simply because you were the link that I followed to get there.
Mainstream fiction has nothing like the semi-pro, token, non-paying (For the Love) markets the genres have for short fiction. There is the New Yorker at the pro level and that’s pretty much it. Sure there are some academic journals with very narrow audiences. Other than that, there is nothing.
This is just flat out, not true.

Duotrope.com lists 639 mainstream short fiction markets, compared to 209 SF ones. Of those, 39 pay pro rates, which in mainstream means .20 and up, vs. 19 in SF, which pay .05 and up. Then there's a bajillion semi-pro, token and non-paying markets.

I would guess, off the top of my head, that some people responded to your other post for the same reason that I'm responding to this one. You are spreading misinformation.

You seem very enthusiastic and I wish you luck with your writing career.
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[User Picture]From: jimhines
2009-12-21 02:53 pm (UTC)
Your comment shows up now.
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[User Picture]From: maryrobinette
2009-12-21 04:15 pm (UTC)
Oh good.
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[User Picture]From: tchernabyelo
2009-12-21 06:12 pm (UTC)
But she still doesn't get it - as usual, she has utterly failed to engage with any instance where someone actually quotes facts that prove her tterly wrong. Her apacity for self-deception is almost literally breathtaking.
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[User Picture]From: rose_lemberg
2009-12-21 08:21 pm (UTC)
I think she confuses opinion with fact. She clearly doesn't know anything about mainstream markets, but can say anything she wants because "it's just her opinion".
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[User Picture]From: silviamg
2009-12-22 05:00 am (UTC)
I was going to write a long post but it comes down to this: does not compute.
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